Dan Harris, political and current affairs commentator and co-host of the ‘Over Here, Over There’ podcast discusses the anxiety surrounding the upcoming 2024 presidential election in November and the potential impact on democracy. Dan focuses on the US presidential primary system and the concerns about President Biden’s health and candidacy, particularly his debate performance on 27 June. He also references Hemingway’s ‘The Old Man and the Sea’ to illustrate the challenges faced by Biden. The importance of finding a strong candidate to win in 2024 and carry on as the incumbent in 2028 is vital for preserving democracy. Dan’s monologue is introduced and concluded by his podcast co-host colleague Claudia Koestler.